I took the question to another list-group, one focused on modeling General Systems. The dominant personalities there are humanist-based (with a rationale that emphasizes cybernetics “control” in systems behaviors). That is, most of the contributors put forth rationales for behaviors that include “purpose”, “meaning” … events that have pre-biased pre-included “design”.
That troubles me and I challenge that worldview. It smacks of mysticism rather than scientific rationale. I am all for feeling more comfortable if the universe had a reason-for-being … one which hopefully included human sentience and awareness and emotions and spirit.
But I conclude that either it is not necessary … or that “whatever brought the universe into existence” … is more subtle and competent … IF ‘pre-design’ were involved/necessary.
I am of the deduction that dimensions~space~time~energy~mass have the capacity to produce complicated sentience and ‘values~purpose~rationale~meaning’ … because of the relations architecture of “dimensions~space~time~energy~mass” … where ‘values~purpose~rationale~values’ are not obvious, but are in the forms and structures and phenomena as ‘potential’.
That is a strange proposition, but to me, the only one that works and fits all the diversity of things and relations … human relevant … and irrelevant to human … existence.
Existence wold have to be so expansively competent for the co-existence of Pure Order and Pure Disorder to co-exist in a larger domain that embraces -both- qualities … which human analysis otherwise deduces … each one -precludes- the “presence” of the other. (!)
Jamie Rose Sep 7, 2020